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Tulane faced some tough pitchers this year

Tulane faced three pitchers who were taken in the first round of the MLB draft. That's unusual.

Justin Dunn, who was picked 19th, dominated the Wave in the opener of the Oxford regional.

Cody Sedlock, from Illinois, gave up two runs (one earned) in six innings of the season opener and had a no decision. He was taken 27th.

Anthony Kay, from UConn, gave up two hits in seven innings while striking out eight, but he did allow a grand slam to Grant Witherspoon after walking the bases loaded.

Men's hoops releases non-conference schedule

I already like the Mike Dunleavy era because the shroud of secrecy has been lifted. Inexplicably, Tulane always was one of the last handful of teams in the country to release its non-conference schedule under Ed Conroy. I never figured out what the deal was, and I know it irritated a former basketball SID to no end when the the coaches would have the schedule in hand but refuse to let him release it until some point in August.

As for the actual schedule, getting North Carolina to play in the Smoothie King Center is cool, and playing in a real tournament instead of those artificial ones Tulane signed up for in the past few years is nice. The Wave will play three games in Puerto Rico with first through eighth place determined by results against a good field --Oklahoma, Xavier, Arizona State, Clemson, Northern Iowa (Dannen's old schools), Missouri and Davidson are the other teams in the tournament, with no pairings announced yet.

The rest of the schedule is humdrum but still an improvement on what Tulane usually faced under Conroy.

Regional predictions

Keeping in mind that outside of the AAC and a few teams in the SEC, I cannot name one player in college baseball, here are my predictions for each of the 16 regionals. Sometimes I think it helps to know so little about the players because it takes away all the bias I exhibit when I pick the NCAA basketball tournament, usually favoring the players I like.

OXFORD REGIONAL

The pick: Ole Miss
second choice: Tulane

Analysis: If Tulane hits and gets terrific performances from its starting pitchers, it will have an excellent chance to win a regional for the first time in 11 years. The presence of sterling defensive catcher Jake Rogers gives the Wave a huge advantage. But Ole Miss easily could have been a national seed and will be playing at home in front of rowdy fans. The Rebels are the safe pick. I do believe Utah has a reasonable chance to knock off the Rebels. The Utes crushed the ball during their practice today but have to fight the "happy to be here" syndrome.

CORAL GABLES REGIONAL

The pick: Miami
second choice: no one.

Analysis: I'm not saying the Hurricanes are a lock to win, just that I'm not impressed with the other three teams in the regional. Maybe one of them will prove me wrong and step up and beat the Hurricanes, which would guarantee Tulane a home super regional if it wins in Oxford. Despite winning Conference USA, FAU likely is the fourth best team in that league. Long Beach State, the No. 3 seed, is part of a weak West Coast contingent.

LAFAYETTE REGIONAL

The pick: Louisiana-Lafayette
second choice: Sam Houston State

Analysis: I was impressed by ULL in both games against Tulane this year, and the rest of the Cajuns' regional is week. Arizona finished fourth in a down year for the Pac-12. Sam Houston State is white hot right now but not particularly talented. And if that team could not win a regional in three years under David Pierce, it's hard to see it winning one without him.

STARKVILLE REGIONAL

The pick: Mississippi State
second choice: Louisiana Tech

Analysis: Because of history, a lot of people are high on Cal St. Fullerton. Have they paid attention to West Coast baseball this year? This is hardly a vintage Fullerton team, although its pitching numbers are excellent. La Tech, which has not been to a regional since 1987, got hot at the end of the year and can ride that momentum to an upset of the Titans, but no one is beating Mississippi State here.

CLEMSON REGIONAL

The pick: Clemson
second choice: no one

Analysis: Are you kidding me? Okahoma State was the third best team in a down year for the Big 12. Nebraska was the least deserving at-large team in the field and is below .500 against top-100 RPI teams. Clemson caught fire late in the year and should roll through this regional.

COLUMBIA REGIONAL

The pick: South Carolina
second choice: UNC Wilmington

Analysis: Probably another cakewalk, and yes, I realize I've picked all No. 1 seeds so far. I like picking upsets, but this has been a top-heavy year in college baseball. UNCW, as we all know after last year's Baton Rouge regional, can rake, but it gave up 13 runs to South Carolina in a loss earlier this year and has a weak pitching staff. Duke is the least talented of the 10 ACC teams that made the NCAA field.

NASHVILLE REGIONAL

The pick: Vanderbilt
second choice: no one

Vanderbilt would be very vulnerable if it had not been handed such a weak group of opponents. The Commodores won only one series against an NCAA tournament team. But UCSB, the No. 3 seed, barely finished above .500 in the Big West, played poorly down the stretch and lost almost all of the best players from a more formidable team that hosted a regional and flopped a year ago. Washington gave up more than 30 runs in the last 10 innings to Utah last weekend. I actually could see Xavier, which is barely above .500 but got hot in the last month, upsetting Vandy in the opener, but the Commodores probably would win four straight anyway.

LOUISVILLE REGIONAL

The pick: Louisville
second choice: Ohio State

Ohio State I definitely would have picked in a few other regionals--the Buckeyes were by far the best team in the Big Ten down the stretch--but Louisville lost only one home game all year. The bottom two teams appear weak for their seeds--Wright State at No. 3 and Western Michigan, a MAC bottom feeder that won its league tournament, at No. 4.

COLLEGE STATION REGIONAL

The pick: Texas A&M
second choice: puh-leez

What do you get when you combine one of the hottest teams in the country with pitiful opposition? A weekend of blowouts at Texas A&M. Minnesota won the Big Ten, which is the only reason the Gophers received an at-large bid with an RPI in the 50s. Good for former UNO coach Tom Walter at finally guiding Wake Forest to the NCAA tournament in his seventh year on the job, but the Demon Deacons don't scare anyone except for No. 4 seed Binghamton.

FORT WORTH REGIONAL

The pick: TCU
Second choice: Oral Roberts

I would not be surprised if Oral Roberts puts a huge scare into TCU on opening night, but the Horned Frogs are too well coached, even in a rebuilding year, to lose twice at home. The No. 2 seed, Arizona State, gave up 31 runs to USC on Sunday. The No. 3 seed, Gonzaga, earned its at-large bid by being road warriors while playing only 10 home games, but the talent level is not there. Look for 4 seed Oral Roberts in the championship round but for TCU to advance.

CHARLOTTSVILLE REGIONAL

The pick: Virginia
second choice: East Carolina

It would be funny if Virginia fell short at home a year after winning the College World Series after beginning regional play as a No. 3 seed in California. It might happen, but I can't pull the trigger. I like East Carolina to knock off No. 2 seed Bryant behind terrific pitcher Evan Kruczynski, but the Pirates played their best ball earlier in the year. A lot of experts say Bryant is dangerous, but I can't get past the ridiculously weak schedule that led to it having the nation's best winning percentage.

LUBBOCK REGIONAL

The pick: Dallas Baptist
Second choice: Texas Tech

Finally, I go away from the chalk. Texas Tech has an all-freshman weekend starting pitching rotation and lost two straight in the Big 12 tournament. Dallas Baptist hosted a regional with a better team last year --getting upset in the championship game by 4 seed VCU--but the returning players know what it takes to win. The bottom two seeds, New Mexico and Fairfield, will be cannon fodder.

BATON ROUGE REGIONAL

The pick: LSU
second choice: Southeastern Louisiana

LSU was more vulnerable last year and still cruised through its regional while hardly giving up a run. No. 2 seed Rice fell apart at the end of the regular season, giving up a ton of runs, and the Owls are rarely strong offensively. Southeastern is not playing as well as it did earlier in the season, but it has the pitching and hitting to make the championship round, where its inferiority complex to LSU will kill any chance it has to win.

RALEIGH REGIONAL

The pick: Coastal Carolina
second choice: NC State

NC State is a host almost exclusively because of its RPI and stopped playing well more than a month ago. Coastal Carolina, which has been perennially strong, deservedly lost its chance to host by getting swept at Georgia Tech last month, but that's not the fair representation of the Chanticleers' ability. They just had a bad series. They'll get their ACC revenge this weekend, unless capable St. Mary's trips them up in the opener. NC State might lose to Navy on opening day. The Middies' starter had four shutouts and nine complete games this year.

TALLAHASSEE REGIONAL

The pick: FSU
Next choice: Southern Miss

This is another vulnerable host I can't pick against because of its regional opponents. Southern Miss, a Tiger at home, has a losing record on the road. South Alabama, which swept a pair of midweek games against the Golden Eagles, has not won a weekend series in more than a month. Fourth seed Alabama State is intriguing after destroying the SWAC, winning all 28 games, usually by lopsided margins. I could see FSU losing its opener to Alabama State, then rebounding to win the regional anyway. Southern Miss has the offense to get to a super regional, but it's doubtful to happen in Tallahassee.

GAINESVILLE REGIONAL

The pick: Florida
second choice: Connecticut

This is the most interesting regional outside of the Oxford regional because of the real possibility of a shocking upset. Florida was No. 1 almost all year and is loaded, but if UConn gets past slumping Georgia Tech Friday, I really like the Huskies to beat Florida on Saturday behind AAC pitcher of the year Anthony Kay. He's unhittable when he's on, and the Gators are not a great hitting team. The problem is Florida would have to lose twice, and with the the best pitching depth in college baseball, the Gators easily could come out of the losers' bracket to win. In fact, that's what will happen.

My super regional picks are Ole Miss over Miami, Mississippi State over ULL, Clemson over South Carolina, Louisville over Vandy, Texas A&M over TCU, Virginia over Dallas Baptist, LSU over Coastal Carolina and Florida over FSU. That's five SEC teams and three ACC teams. Man do I hope I'm wrong.

My national championship pick is Florida over Louisville, but UConn could wreck those plans this weekends.

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David Pierce and Hunter Williams quotes following Tulane loss

Here's what they said in the interview room a few minutes after Boston College eliminated Tulane 6-3 on Sunday night.

PIERCE

"We struggled with J.P. France today as a starter. He's been really good for us but he could not get the ball down early. You have to credit Boston College. They took the breaking balls both times we played them, and they made every play. When we made a mistake with the fastball, they hit it. I credit Boston College and I'm proud of our team for all of our accomplishments all year. Unless you win the national championship, you're going to end with a loss if you're in the postseason."

On infield errors by Stephen Alemais and Hunter Hope that led to three unearned runs:

"It's the second game of a doubleheader and I think we were beat up emotionally, and we had very little time (in between games), less than an hour to get going here. It's hard to regroup. Steph ran the ball up and we just couldn't handle another one. They were very opportunistic the entire weekend."

On the call on Alemais when he tried to get into third and what he thought about Alemais trying to get to third:

"He made the call that he saw. He saw him out and that's what he believed. I thought it was a mistake to try to advance there down by 4, but he's been an aggressive player for us since we've been at Tulane and it's kind of hard to rein him in."

On where the program is:

"It's on the uprise. We have kids who are committed.

On winning regular season championship and beating Ole Miss in hostile environment

"Winning the outright regular season championship, taking another step in a regional and playing in the championship, those are stepping stones. We'd like to have won the regional, but Boston College was better than us today."

How many of the juniors do you expect not to be back:

"The draft is next week and a lot of people will be affected, so I know we'll have some. I'll know more at that time."

WILLIAMS

on what made BC starter effective:

"He mixed up his pitches and his fastball. He made some mistakes and we just didn't capitalize on his mistakes. I thought we barreled a lot of balls today and they didn't fall. He just got us out."

On hitting three home runs in regional:

"I was seeing it pretty well and felt good out there. I wasn't trying to do too much. I was trying to find a way to help the team win, and that's all that matters. It was a tough loss."

On quick turnaround from Utah to Boston College:

"It was tough, but you have to find a way to battle through it. We had like an hour break, which is not much time to recover after being out in the heat all day. We came back and were a little flat at first, and that kind of hurt us and bit us in the end. It's definitely tough. It's not easy to have a big win like that out in the hot weather. Everybody's drained. I know Jake (Rogers) was drained out there, and we had to come back and try to win another game."

On whole year:

"It's been a great experience, but we're not satisified now though. We definitely wanted to win that regional. It was in our grasp almost. We could taste it and then we just couldn't pull it out. We'll be back. That's what we're going to do. We're going to build off this and try to move forward and keep progressing."

Not my fault

Not that anyone cares, but The Advocate had a version of my story online for several hours tonight that said Tulane would face Boston College at 1 and that Utah had beaten Boston College.

I sent that story in during the middle of the Utah game but called a correction in the second the game ended and well before the deadline for the print edition, so it reads right there. But I did not realize they already had posted my game story online, and no one there thought to correct it. It's fixed now.

Pitching matchups tomorrow

Tulane will throw freshman Ross Massey against Utah lefty Josh Lapiana in the 1 p.m. game. Lapiana has a 4.18 ERA and is 4-5, giving up 114 hits in 92.2 innings but only three home runs.

Boston College will be waiting at 5 p.m. with starter Jacob Stevens, who is 3-3 with a sterling 2.04 ERA, allowing 50 hits in 66.1 innings. He has given up two home runs. He also has not made it through the fifth inning in his last four starts, but BC's bullpen is rested and ready to go. Tulane presumably would pitch J.P. France unless he is needed in the first game, which is unlikely because the path to a regional championship needs to involve him as a starter before a Charley Wholestaff approach on Monday.

Tulane quotes after loss to Boston College

David Pierce, Emerson Gibbs and Hunter Williams came into the interview room. I requested Lex Kaplan because I wanted to ask him about the catch/non catch, but Tulane was required only to bring in two guys and elected not to bring him in. After watching a replay of Kaplan's play, I do not think it was a catch. The ball was moving around in his glove and when he reached to take it out, it popped over his hand. It was a very close call, though.

After the Ole Miss game, Tulane revealed that Alex Massey will pitch tomorrow against Ole Miss. The Rebels are going with lefty David Parkinson, who was terrific as a reliever for the first half of the year but has struggled since moving to a starting role, particularly lately. If Tulane's bats don't wake up tomorrow, they won't have the excuse of facing an elite pitcher.

Here's what they said right after the game:

PIERCE

"I just thought we did not play a very clean game. It just affected us. We give up a double, and we hadn't had too many wild pitches or passed balls, but we had a wild pitch/passed ball right there to make it two (runs), but we were still OK. And then the play in right field cost us two runs. If the ball game was at 2 right there, we would have had a chance to tie it up, and we did (score two runs), but it didn't turn out that way."

What was the umpire's interpretation of the play in right field?

"He just said that he dropped it, that it wasn't on an exchange."

How did you see it?

"I thought it was a caught ball, since you asked."

What are you thought on Dunn, and what was your game plan against him?

"Well, we've seen a lot of good Friday night guys, and he's no exception. He was as good as any of them. The thing is, he's so clean in his delivery, it's easy. He was sitting on 94 or 95, and when he needed to throw the breaking ball, it was good. We got something going when we got the two runs when he got behind. He's just a quality arm and did a great job."

There were a lot of strikeouts again. How big of a concern is that?

"It's always a concern. We've lived and died on the long ball. We just didn't come up with them today, but you'd like to see us put the ball in play a little bit there with two strikes, but it's what we've been all year. When we've pieced it together, it's worked, but it hasn't worked the last few games."

What's your message to your team?

"I've been here before. It's a little bit like Hunter Williams said. You can't see the big picture. We have to go out and understand our backs are against the wall. What we need to do is go out and pitch and play good defense and be clean and then trust ourselves at home plate."

On the throw threw on the stolen base when Jake Willsey cut it off, was that the plan because of the guy on third?

"Yeah, we've been good there when we've thrown through and gotten the runner, but I just didn't feel like we were in a position (to go for the out) with the (potential) double steal there and go behind by 3 with the guy on the mound. I trust Jake. I just felt like its as the right call at the time. I think if we let it go through, he's out and the (other runner) is still at third base, but that's what happened."

HUNTER WILLIAMS

What made Justin Dunn so effective?

"He was a really good arm up there. He was throwing good off speed and he has a good fastball. He kept us off balance, throwing his pitches which we couldn't really hit. We didn't square as many balls as we needed to and find a way to get on base."

How did Dunn compare to some other pitchers you faced this season?

"Everybody is different. Everybody has a good arm, but facing a quality arm like that with a fast ball and a really good breaking ball, we've seen guys like that before. We just have to stay with a good approach and get base hits when we need to. We got some guys on base and couldn't drive them in."

You've been scuffling at the plate lately. How confident are you the hitting will come around and give you a chance to stay in this regional?

"We have to take it one pitch at a time and not worry about the big picture. We have to find a way to get on base and find a way to get them over and get them. If we do that, slow it down and take one pitch at a time, we'll be all right."

EMERSON GIBBS

How did you feel like you pitched today?

"I felt good. Boston College made me throw the ball over the plate. They were laying off my curveball. I don't know if that was the game plan going in. Overall I felt all right."

Boston College coach Mike Gambino on Tulane and his own team

Here is the full interview with Boston College coach Mike Gambino yesterday. He was entertaining and informative.

Is the humidity down here a concern for you?


“I didn’t really notice it. You know, honestly we were in Georgia two weekends ago and the ACC tournament down in Carolina last weekend and the last week-and-a-half in Boston has been really hot. It was 93 (degrees) when we practiced last week. It’s not going to be a factor as long as our boys do a good job staying hydrated. If they don’t do a good job, if they are drinking soda instead of Gatorade and water, then it will be an issue, but we played a doubleheader two weeks ago to get us into this whole thing at Georgia Tech that was just like this, and for two games the guys did a great job.”

What is your impression of Tulane?

“They are a really good ballclub. They are solid, and I mean this as a compliment. They don’t have one guy that jumps out at you. It’s a solid lineup and a solid pitching staff. I don’t mean that as a knock on them. It’s a top to bottom really good baseball club. Their lineup can be scary 1 through 9. They’ve got three guys that can run the ball out of the park at any time. They’ve got two to three guys who can steal bags at any time. They are really balanced, and then with that staff, we are going to face a really good arm tomorrow, and they have quality guys coming out of the bullpen. You don’t know exactly what the combination is going to be, but you see that with the number of games they’ve won. And coach Pierce has won everywhere he has been and constantly gotten teams in the postseason. It’s a real quality team that’s very well coached, and we’re excited about that. That’s why everybody is talking about this being the toughest regional. It’s just four really good clubs that are coming together the same weekend.”

What prompted you to move Jason Dunn to the starting rotation?

“What happened was we had Florida State at our place and only played one game because some weather came in, so it was kind of the perfect time to make an adjustment. Our pitching coach came to me and said here’s what I’m thinking, what do you think? It was a great call by him. I said let’s go with it. We always believed he was really truly a starter. We had him in the back of the game at that point because we had three guys we thought could give us a chance to win (as starters) and then Justin would help us win two games every weekend. Starting the season we though him closing out two games every weekend was our best chance.”

He went nine innings in his last start. Can he go as long as needed against Tulane?

“We’re very cautious with our guys. You see the pitch counts. As long as needed, yes, but really, we don’t run our guys very high at all. We had one kid get to 120 this year and that was because the last batter was a 10-pitch at-bat. Justin finished the game at Georgia Tech when we needed him, and he was at 84 after the eighth. We had the bullpen moving out a little bit, and it was a hot day. I went to check with him, and he said, ‘sit them down, I got it.’ I said, all right, go get them, dude.”

What makes him so dominant?

“The first thing that would jump out at you is the fastball velocity, but I don’t think that’s what makes him dominant because early in his career when that velocity started coming, he was throwing it flat and getting knocked around. As he’s sort of learned how to pitch, he went to a four-pitch mix. He was a kid with a good arm as a freshman, and he can pitch now. That’s what makes him dominant. His pitchability. It’s electric stuff, but in the ACC, the SEC, there are a lot of guys with big arms. It’s big stuff with pitchability.

“And the thing about Justin beyond that is he’s such a high-character kid. He’s one of the kids you’ll ever be around. As good as you see him on the mound, he’s even better as a kid.”

How does going through the rigor of the ACC prepare you for tournament play?

“Every weekend is playoff baseball in the ACC and every weekend is playoff baseball in the SEC. Especially for us, we were playing great early and then scuffled in the middle, we’ve essentially been in playoff baseball for six weeks now. This ballpark is one of the best places to play college baseball in the country. This town, these fans here, it’s awesome, and our boys are excited to play in it. They’ve talked about how much they are excited to play in this ballpark and play in front of these fans. They’re great fans, but it’s not something to be in awe of because you see it a lot in the ACC. So they are excited about it, but they are not going to be in awe of it.”

You were picked last in the ACC. What allowed this team to exceed those expectations?

“We understand that. We knew we were going to be picked last going into the year and we sort of laughed at it. We knew that most people outside of us aren’t going to understand what we’re doing here, and the way we handle that is all we care about is us. We’ve got a clubhouse full of guys that care about each other, that believe in each other, that believe we have a chance to go to Omaha. As do the other 63 teams, but we don’t get ourselves concerned with what people outside of our clubhouse are saying. And honestly, part of the reason we scuffled early was all of a sudden people started saying we were good after about 25 games, and it shocked the guys and we started paying attention to what people were saying. Whether they are saying good things or bad things, we just worry about us and worry about what we’re doing.”

Will BC starter feel the heat?

I confirmed today that Boston College will throw junior right-hander Justin Dunn against Emerson Gibbs on Friday in Oxford. Clearly, Dunn could give Tulane major headaches with his fastball that has gotten past 95 miles per hour and a microscopic ERA, but it will be interesting to see how he fares.

Not once has Dunn started a series opener, so he could feel more pressure than normal in the regional. He was a bullpen guy who was elevated to Saturday starter with seven weeks left in the season, and although he was lights out, pitching 37 innings while giving up only five earned runs, he never went longer than seven innings until tossing a complete game against Georgia Tech on the final weekend of the regular season. He also has not had to deal with southern heat like he will face Friday (assuming the game is not delayed by rain), so it is questionable how long he can last.

Tulane has fared well against power pitchers this year. In fact, it almost seems like the Wave is bothered by junk-ballles more than fast ball guys. Pitchers who hit their spots generally don't give up much to Tulane, so the pivotal part for Dunn will be location. Even though he has great stuff, too many pitches over the plate likely would turn into a home run or two.

Emerson Gibbs pitched poorly against Houston last Thursday, but he can dominate Boston College if he keeps the ball low like he normally does. The Eagles don't have much power and like to manufacture runs, but a sharp Gibbs would not allow many base runners. David Pierce told me today he likes the matchup of Gibbs the best against Boston College, with Corey Merrill right behind him.

It should be a good game. Aaron Fitt and Kendall Rogers of D1Baseball.com label the Oxford regional the toughest of them all, citing Tulane's pitching depth, Boston College's all-around ability and Utah's status as Pact-12 regular season champion. But if Gibbs hits his spots, I really like Tulane's chances in a low-scoring game.

Tulane baseball quotes: Thursday before regional

I left my house at 7 this morning and made it just in time for interviews at Swayze Field. Missed about two minutes of David Pierce because I thought interviews were in the press room and not on the field but got the rest. I did not ask all the question, just some of them.

PIERCE

On Corey Merrill:

"Corey’s been a bulldog for us for three years. We’re using him a little bit more out of the bullpen and you may see him start this weekend."

Who does Justin Dunn remind you of?

"Doc Gooden." (a little laughter afterward)

Who does he remind you of of the guys you've faced?

"I recall (Cory) Sedlock (of Illinois) and A.J. Puckett (of Pepperdine) that were both very good with velocity and good breaking balls. Both had very good years. I think he has their type of stuff."

What is the biggest challenge against a guy like that?

"For us it’s to be aggressive in the strike zone and stay away from the chase. We’ve worked on it really well all week and it’s kind of been the thing that we’ve had to work on all year. We get a little overly aggressive, and stuff will do that to you because you have to cheat to a fastball every now and then when it’s 96. That’s something we’re going to have to be conscious of—seeing the fastball down and the breaking ball up."

Will it help to face him in the heat of the day?

"You tend to see velocity a little better in the daylight, but it doesn’t really matter. We’re from New Orleans, so there’s plenty of heat there, so we’re OK with that."

But won't Boston College be affected by the heat?

"I’m not going to go there. Game 1 they’ll be totally fresh."

JAKE ROGERS

What are your thoughts about playing the regional here?

"It’s exciting. We didn’t really know where we were going. We could have had a toss-up. We thought for sure LSU or Lafayette. but it was awesome coming to Ole Miss and this beautiful venue."

What do you expect from Dunn?

"It’s going to be tough. We’re going to have to have good ABs. He’s good. He’s got the velo, he’s got the breaking stuff, so we’ve got to come ready to play and have confidence going up there."

What has made Emerson Gibbs so effective this year?

"He throws strikes. He commands all his pitches and that’s going to help us."

GIBBS

What do you need to do against Boston College?

"My plan is just to control them on the bases and make them earn 90 feet. I can’t walk them and I can’t hit them. If they get hits, then they get hits. I just have to let the defense play behind me and control the game."

Is the biggest start you've ever made?

"It’s got to be top five if not the biggest start I’ve ever made."

How much will having been a Friday starter all year help tomorrow?

"It helps a lot, but at the end of the day it’s just a game. Whether I throw on Sunday or Saturday or Friday or midweek, they are all pretty much the same. I’ve got some nerves until I throw the first pitch. It’s just an ordinary game, and you have to go out there and not get too involved in the situation, just keep cool and play the game the way you know how to play it."

How much confidence have this team gained from winning the AAC?

"We’re finding ways to win. It seems when our pitchers aren’t on, our hitters do real well, and when our hitters aren’t doing so hot, our pitchers are doing well. We’re playing consistent defense all year. It’s really just finding ways to win somehow, and we need to keep that going."

STEPHEN ALEMAIS

What's the biggest challenge of facing Dunn?

"All year we’ve done a good job and thrived against good pitching. When we tend to struggle, it’s against average pitching. We pretty much bring our A game a lot when it comes to the top pitchers. Our job is to stay short, make contact and we should be fine."

What are your thoughts on Boston College?

"They are hot right now. They’ve been playing well. They’ve awarded us the toughest regional for a reason, so it’s going to be tough."

You're from New York. How tough is it to adjust to this weather for guys up north?

"Absolutely. They are from up north, too, so it’s kind of hard to get the ball rolling, but I’ve been playing in this for a while now. The game’s going to be the same. The two teams are going to be playing in the same conditions, so it’s going to be fun."

What are your thought on the infield surface here?

"I think it’s the best surface we’ve played on all year. Some of the guys like this place more than LSU, so it’s going to be a lot of fun. It’s a really good surface.”

How do you think you guys will handle the atmosphere?

"It comes to experience. A lot of the freshmen have never witnessed the postseason. A lot of the older guys, we went to LSU so we know what to expect. The atmosphere over there is tremendous. The experience of last year is going to help us this year."

HUNTER WILLIAMS

What do you have to do to hit Dunn?

"You can’t try to do too much. You just have to go up there with a simple approach, take a short swing and try to find the barrel. But you have to swing at pitches you can hit. When you’ve got a guy that has good stuff, if you hjelp him and chase out of the zone, he’s going to make it tough on you."

Alemais said this team is better against fastball guys than junk guys. Do you agree?

"I don’t know what it is, but definitely you can see that a little bit. We’ve faces some really good arms already this year—Romero from Houston, Sedlock from Illinois—and we hit them pretty well. Guys go up there and don’t try to do too much against guys like that. When guys aren’t throwing too hard, your swings get a little big and it kind of breaks down a little bit."

Your offense has been mostly home runs in the second half of the year. Can that work here?

"The goal is to score in multiple ways. The long ball has been working for us and if we can keep it going, we’ll definitely have to ride that out, but that’s definitely not just the only way we want to score."

How much confidence do you have in Gibbs?

"Every time Gibby goes out on the mound, we know we are going to have a shot to win. He’s one of our best arms. I love it when he’s out there and I love playing defense behind him. We think he matches up good with anybody we could possibly play."

How much does Gibbs' fielding help?

"It definitely helps a lot. We don’t have to cover nearly as much ground. We know he’s going to cover the ground when the ball’s in the dead area instead of having to worry about the third basemen or me going to get the ball from first base."

Where Tulane will end up

First off, no one really knows other than the people on the committee, but based on history, I do not expect Tulane to end up in Baton Rouge. Until last year, when it clearly made sense for the Wave to play in Alex Box for the postseason, it had gone elsewhere the last two times it could have ended up in Baton Rouge. In 2004, Tulane went to Oxford and in 2008 Tulane went to Tallahassee (The Wave hosted in 2005, LSU did not make the NCAA tournament in 2006 and Tulane did not make the NCAA tournament in 2007).

Having just been to Baton Rouge last year, I expect Tulane to go to either Lafayette as a No. 2 seed or Hattiesburg as a No. 2 seed. Only if neither of those teams get regionals do I see Tulane going to Baton Rouge, and even then Oxford and Starkville would be viable options. It makes sense for La Tech or Southeastern to go to Baton Rouge as a No, 3 seed. (La Tech is a lock for an at-large bid, and I expect SLU to squeeze in with one of the last picks)

The way I see it, seven SEC schools are locks to host (Florida, Texas A&M, Miss St., Ole Miss, South Carolina, LSU and Vandy) at least five ACC schools will host (Miami, Louisville, Clemson, FSU and probably Virginia) with a possibility of a sixth (NC State) and Texas Tech will host.

That leaves as many as three open spots to be divided up among a West Coast school as a No. 2 seed, ULL, USM, TCU, Coastal Carolina and the sixth ACC school. No one else is in the picture.

My best guess is the final spots will be filled by Arizona (highest RPI among west schools who submitted bids), TCU and ULL, although I would not be shocked if one of the others got it instead. TCU won the Big 12 tourney, has a high RPI and a spectacular 21-8 record against top 100 teams (although that number is less impressive when you break it down more closely). ULL is the only regional bubble team to win a regular season and tournament title and also has an RPI of 15.

As for the others, NC State faded down the stretch, Coastal Carolina had a losing record against the top 50 and is 13-11 versus the top 100 and USM should not be given full credit for winning its tourney since it was on its home field.

That means I see Tulane going to ULL as the No. 2 seed. I don't do prediction for the rest of the potential bracket because it's a crap shoot, but playing in Lafayette would give this team a good shot to advance (ULL would still be the slight favorite in my view). The best option would be Hattiesburg because I simply don't think USM is as talented as Tulane despite its home success this year. But ULL would still be a better destination that LSU, Ole Miss or Mississippi State, all of which are loaded.

Regardless, this clearly is Tulane's best chance to win a regional since 2005. I will go wherever they send the Wave and can't wait for Friday.

The MLB draft and Tulane

The season is not over for the Wave by any means but the MLB draft is coming up in less than two weeks-- a time during which several of our players could greatly increase (decrease?) their prospects.

By my count, Tulane has twelve seniors and fifteen other players completing their third year of college who could theoretically be chosen in that draft.

Seniors (12):

Emerson Gibbs: Gibbs doesn’t have overpowering stuff but he has excellent control and a steady hand on the throttle. I doubt he’ll be an early draft choice, but I’d be surprised if he isn’t drafted. He’s a tough kid who has improved greatly since arriving on campus.

Alex Massey: Not that he's had a bad year (he hasn't), but Massey hasn’t had quite the year I'd hoped for coming off of last season. But he has good stuff, improved control, and had some very good games. I think he could be drafted fairly late. If not, I expect he’ll get a shot at signing as a free agent.

I don’t think any of our other seniors are likely to be drafted but I wouldn’t be surprised if Duester or Simms has a chance at free agency. Both have pretty good stuff but have suffered from control problems. Since MLB signs on “potential,” either might have a shot, though, at age 24, Simms time has probably past. Of course, Duester is 22, so the same might be said of him. I don’t see Carthon, Yandel, Gross, Pierce, Burns, or Braud getting the opportunity. Additionally, two redshirt juniors, Rankin and Steele, were honored on senior day and are apparently foregoing their redshirt senior season to start life outside of baseball.

Juniors (10):

Stephen Alemais: Alemais has tremendous range at short stop and a major league arm, though he seems to “blow’ some relatively “easy” chances. He has good speed and is a threat to run, though I doubt he’ll be a major threat in the pro’s. At bat, he’s very aggressive. And, I don’t have any problem with him hitting the first good pitch he sees, but he swings at too many “bad pitches” early in the count. Nonetheless, he’s a solid prospect and, in my opinion, could go in the early mid-rounds. I expect him to sign with someone, regardless. It’s almost guaranteed he won’t be back.

Jake Rogers: Rogers is another junior virtually guaranteed to be drafted fairly early. His strength is as a defensive catcher who blocks a lot of bad pitches and has a spectacular arm. He releases quickly, accurately, and puts something on it. Can’t ask for much more! Better still, his batting has improved markedly over three years. He hit .202 as a freshman and .227 as a sophomore, but has raised that to .260 so far this year, with his power numbers increasing in similar fashion. Yet, he is still not a great threat at the plate. Depending on the money he is offered, I think he should consider returning for his senior year to improve his hitting even more. The only downsides to that are potential injuries and the reduced leverage he would have after a senior year. Tough choice; again, depending on the money. I certainly wish him the best regardless of his choice. Would love to have him back but don’t expect it.

Hunter Hope: After his sophomore year when his batting average dropped from .261 to .230 and he struck out almost 40% of the time, I wasn’t sure he’d even start this year. After a slow beginning to the season, he had a strong streak through most of March, April and early May. Unfortunately, a recent slump has seen his batting average drop from above .300 to the current .271 and he still strikes out far too often (38% so far this year). But, his fielding is “top tier.” He makes all of the plays, has good range, and a very strong arm, while, like Alemais, occasionally “blows” an easy chance. I think he could be drafted in the later rounds and might receive enough money for him to sign. HIs upside in staying in school revolves around achieving better plate discipline and cutting back on his strikeouts. If he could do that and retain his obvious HR potential, he could really increase his draft stock after next season. Hope:) to see him back.

Corey Merrill: Through the first few games he pitched this year, Merrill looked like a sure early round draft choice. Following a year in which he posted a 2.12 ERA, he was pitching at least as well. His control was actually better and he was striking out more than one man per inning—good numbers. Then, the injury. Since his return, his numbers continue to be excellent and his ERA for the year is down to 1.99 and he’s striking out 10.7 men per nine innings. Depending on his perceived health (which appears to be good), I expect him to be drafted. I personally think he’d be better off getting 100% healthy, increasing his arm strength, and returning to Tulane next year, but who knows? A lot of us dreamed of playing professional baseball and turning down the opportunity, even when it’s likely only to delay it, has to be a tough decision.

Jeremy Montalbano: Montalbano could also be drafted and, though I doubt it, I don’t think it would be a big stretch. To me, he simply doesn’t yet have a position to play, and his offensive output, while good (.276 with 11 HR's), hasn’t been such to generate the necessary interest for a DH-only guy at the start of his career. Even before his injury, when he started three games, we had at least two catchers who were better defensively. And catcher is what he needs to play to improve his MLB potential. Even in the unlikely event he is drafted, I think he has a great chance to up his position with another year. He’s obviously a patient young man, sitting out last year to play for the Wave. I hope to see him back.

Lex Kaplan: Kaplan has bumped his batting average up from .173 to .243. to the current .271 over the past three years, which says a lot about his effort and the coaching he’s received. That he came back from a season-threatening injury says even more about his toughness and dedication. He still has a lot of trouble with lefties but has improved significantly. He’s another guy who I doubt gets drafted and, if so, I would recommend returning to Tulane for his senior season. A .300+ season with ten or more home runs next year could improve his status.

Hunter Williams: Williams was our second best hitter last year (based on batting average) but started this season going 0-13 and then missing 22 games due to injury. Since then, despite a recent slump, he’s hit .300 with some impressive, and important, HR’s. He’s also become a very good defensive first baseman. I’d be surprised (shocked) if he were drafted and expect him back next year.

Jake Willsey: Jake’s had a big year. He’s a solid defensive second baseman and really good making the pivot on double plays. After showing no power his first two years, he’s hit 10 HR’s so far this year and after getting his batting average up to .300, has settled back to .281. Could he be drafted? Unlikely, but possible. He swings at a lot of bad pitches and strikes out a lot. His 56 K’s and 19 BB’s is roughly the same ratio as Hunter Hope’s. I look for him to come back next year and have even a bigger year.

Our other juniors—DeHart, and Colletti, are simply not potential draftees at this point. Neither one had very good years. Who knows after another year?

Redshirt Sophomores (5):

J.P. France: As a true freshman, France began his career as our Friday night starter, pitching seven innings of shutout ball on opening day, 2014. He didn’t fare as well in his next few starts and ended that season in the bullpen. After sitting out 2015 with an injury, he has come back strong this year and, before a rough start against Houston, had an ERA below 3.00. Even now, it’s a very respectable 3.22, and he is a key element in our pitching staff. I’d be surprised if he is drafted, but he is eligible and there is an outside possibility. If I were him, however, I’d be coming back next year to show what I can do as a weekend starter. He’d still have the leverage of another year.

Rowland, Brown, Bjorngjeld, and Oakley are also completing their third year but won’t be drafted.

Incoming Players

I really don’t know too much about our incoming players, but several are well thought of by Perfect Game. The most impressive may be Brandon Fraley, who is the younger brother of LSU star, Jake Fraley. Brandon is rated a 10.0 by Perfect Game, has a 92+ mph fastball and the fastest bat speed I’ve seen in a long time. He’s a right handed pitcher/hitter who could be our first true two way player in a while-- if he makes it to campus.

Roll Wave!!!

Tulane tourney wish list: Saturday

I like Tulane's chances today. It's never easy to beat a good team twice in a row, but with J.P. France going in the first game and Ross Massey going in the second against some combo of Andrew Lantrip, who has struggled since having arm problems, and Mitch Ullom, whom the Wave pounded last Friday, it's advantage, Tulane in the starting pitching department.

The keys will be not going into another prolonged hitting funk during the game and Massey pitching better than he has recently.

Most of the news from the other tournaments has been bad. As of late Friday night, the four teams I believe Tulane is competing with the most for one regional hosting spot (maybe two) are all undefeated in tournament play. ULL only has to beat mediocre Arkansas State once tomorrow out of two to get to the Sun Belt title game. Coastal Carolina already is in the championship game of the Big South. TCU is cruising in the Big 12 tournament and only has to beat Texas 1 out of 2 tomorrow to reach the championship game against either West Virginia and Oklahoma, which will be supremely motivated since neither has a shot at an at-large berth, but the Horned Frogs are just better than either one of them. USM is enjoying the home cooking in the CUSA tourney and just has to beat Marshall 1 out of 2 tomorrow to advance to the championship game. At least the Golden Eagles are likely to face tournament tested Rice when they get there.

Here are the key games for Saturday. I'm not putting ULL losing twice to Arkansas State on there because it ain't gonna happen.

1) Marshall needs to beat USM twice in the CUSA Tourney

Good look with that, but the Herd will be very motivated because it probably won't get an at-large bid without winning the CUSA title even though it finished ahead of USM and only a half-game out of first place in the regular season. The RPI and number of good victories are too low. USM beat Marshall 9-3 on Thursday.

2) Liberty needs to beat Coastal Carolina in the Big South championship game.

Liberty was swept by Coastal Carolina at home by the combined score of 43-12 this year, so it's a long shot, but the Flames will be motivated knowing they have to win to make the NCAA Tourney. Coastal Carolina now has the highest RPI of any team not in the SEC or ACC (12).

3) Memphis needs to beat UConn and then lose to the Huskies in the AAC tourney

I'm probably over thinking this, but Memphis is within striking distance of the top 200 at 210 and might climb into the top 200 with a win and a loss to No. 48 UConn. That would erase Tulane's only loss against a sub-200 team but still give the Wave a chance for an RPI boost of beating UConn for the title. A different line of thinking says pull for Memphis to win twice in a row because Tulane would have a much better chance of beating the Tigers than beating the Huskies after running out of arms by Sunday. But there's no way Memphis will beat UConn twice in a row.

Tulane's best case is as a double-winner of the AAC regular season and tournament titles, something TCU and USM cannot claim. ULL can, though, so that's why it is so vital the Cajuns come up short in the Sun Belt tourney.

Tulane tourney wish list: Friday

The hard part of getting into regional hosting position involves Tulane winning four games in four days to come out of the loser's bracket and win the AAC tourney, but with the Wave's pitching depth, getting at least to the championship game is not impossible (no idea who would start Sunday, but they'll worry about that if they get there).

Here's what needs to happen elsewhere today to help Tulane's chances of hosting.

BIG 12

Texas Tech needs to beat Oklahoma (3:15), Texas needs to beat Oklahoma State (7:00)

Rationale: Texas Tech is good enough to come out of the loser's bracket and beat TCU in the championship game (TCU is the clear favorite to get there). Oklahoma is not. Oklahoma State still has an outside shot at hosting if it wins four in a row to win the tourney, which would include two wins over TCU. Might as well eliminate that possibility now and keep TCU from getting another good RPI win to boot.

PAC 12

USC beats Arizona State (9)

Rationale: If the West Coast teams with regional hosting chances keep losing, they can't have more than one regional out there, opening up another spot for the rest of the country. Arizona State, which is hot, has gotten into range to host as a No. 2 seed but can't afford any more losses.

Big West

Long Beach State beats Cal St. Fullerton

Rationale: same principle as with Arizona State. Fullerton's RPI may be too low to host anyway, but a championship in a decent league (the Big West does not have a tournament) would give them an outside shot. If they lose the last two to Long Beach, Long Beach will win the league, and Long Beach did not put in a regional bid.

Sun Belt

Texas State beats Louisiana-Lafayette (11:30 a.m.)

This game was rained out yesterday. If ULL wins, it almost certainly will get to the Sun Belt title game. If it loses, it will be in Tulane's position. This is the biggest game of the day for the Wave's regional hosting hopes, assuming Tulane wins.

Tulane tourney wish list: Thursday

Obviously, Tulane needs to take care of business in what will be a very tough game against Houston, which has to win the AAC tournament to play in the NCAA tournament despite clearly having regional-caliber talent.

If Tulane wins, here's what else could help the Wave in its bid to host a regional:

1) Oklahoma State beats TCU (start time: 7:30) in Big 12 winners' bracket

TCU has a better RPI than Oklahoma State and a much better record against the RPI top 50, so it would help Tulane for the Horned Frogs to lose even though Oklahoma State is in the running to host a regional, too.

2) Marshall beats Southern Miss (start time: 7:30) in CUSA winners' bracket

USM has been very good at home all year, and that's where the CUSA tourney is being played. A loss to Marshall would make it very unlikely the Golden Eagles can come back to win the tournament and get back in the hosting conversation.

3) Texas State beats Louisiana-Lafayette (start time: 7:30) in Sun Belt winners bracket

This is by far the most significant game because Tulane definitely is competing with the Cajuns for a regional hosting spot. Texas State is better than Arkansas State and took one of three in Lafayette during the regular season, dropping the rubber game by one run. ULL probably will win because it is a really good team, but an upset would not be a shocker.

4) Connecticut beats South Florida (6:00) in AAC winners' bracket

Not that it is a realistic possibility, but if South Florida reaches the championship game, Tulane would get next to no RPI bump for beating the Bulls. UConn is in the top 50 despite having no significant series win to speak of this year (The Huskies are NCAA regional worthy on talent but not on their results), so Tulane would get a decent bump by beating them.

Tulane at Ohio State in 2018: a couple of notes

The last time Tulane played a big-time program other than LSU was Alabama in 2008, when Tulane outgained the Crimson Tide but lost 20-6 in a game that was close almost all the way. Alabama went 11-0 in the regular season.

The last time Tulane played a team from the Big Ten was Rutgers in 2014 in the Scarlet Knights' first year in the league. But if you go past that one, the previous time Tulane played a team that was in the Big Ten at the time the game was Michigan in 1972. The Wave was ranked 18th and Michigan was ranked 8th, and the Wolverines won 41-7 in Ann Arbor. Incredibly, that was the last regular season game Tulane played where both teams were ranked. The only other game since then was the Bluebonnet Bowl in 1973, which Houston won 47-7 when the Cougars were 14th and the Wave was 17th.

Tulane also played Rutgers in 2010 and 2012 when it was still a member of the Big East and Maryland in 1995 when the Terrapins were a member of the ACC.

Tulane tourney wish list: Wednesday

Teams earn regional host slots by what they do, and by what their competition does not do. While Tulane has the day off today to get ready for its pivotal matchup with Houston, here are some results that could help the Wave's hosting chances.

1) Louisiana-Lafayette loses to Arkansas State (approximate start time: 7:30)

ULL probably is ahead of Tulane in the race for hosting rights, but tournament action could change that order. The Cajuns won two of three from the Red Wolves on the road in the regular season. Arkansas State is .500 overall and 13-17 in the Sun Belt. An upset is unlikely, but possible.

2) TCU loses to Baylor in the Big 12 opening round (approximate start time: 4)

I'm higher on TCU's hosting chances than most, but I believe I am right in reading the selection committee's normal though process. The Horned Frogs finished third in a down Big 12 and have few series wins of note, but their RPI is high and their record agains the top 50 and top 100 is very good. Those often are the two most important criteria for the selection committee, but a quick exit from the Big 12 tourney would end TCU's chances.

3) Southern Miss loses to Old Dominion in CUSA opening round (approximate start time: 4)

I do not think the Golden Eagles deserve to host even if they win the CUSA tournament since it is on their home field, but the selection committee may feel differently. I've felt USM was overrated all year, and today could prove my point. ODU has a good team and easily could knock USM into the losers' bracket.

4) Oklahoma State loses to Texas in the Big 12 opening round (approximate start time: 7:30)

If the Cowboys win the Big 12 tourney, they could steal a hosting spot since they finished second in what somehow is rated the third best league in the country. Their other metrics aren't great, but why take any chances? Let's get rid of them as quickly as possible.

5) Nebraska loses to Michigan State in Big Ten opening round (approximate start time: 1)

I don't buy the idea the committee will put a regional in the north for geographic balance, but if I'm wrong, Nebraska has the strongest case as a hot No. 2 seed if it makes a deep run in the Big 10 tourney. A loss to Michigan State would put the Huskers in the losers' bracket and kill that talk.

6) Coastal Carolina loses to Gardner-Webb in Big South winner's bracket (approximate start time: 7)

I don't think Coastal Carolina will host, and I don't think Coastal Carolina will lose in a weak conference it has dominated all year. But if the Chanticleers somehow lose twice in this event, their hosting chances will officially be kaput.

It also would help Tulane if East Carolina or Connecticut reaches the championship game in the AAC. The RPI bump for beating them would be much better than beating Memphis or USF, The best-case scenario is ECU, which has a higher RPI than Tulane but would have no chance of hosting over the Wave if Tulane won the regular season and tourney championships.

Thoughts on Trevor Simms starting Tuesday night

I don't like it, but I give David Pierce tremendous leeway because he almost always makes the right decision, and obviously I have not watched Simms' practice sessions.

My concern is that Simms has never been good anywhere he's been. He had a 22.40 ERA while barely pitching for Rice (2 innings) in 2012. He had a 5.40 ERA at Weatherford College covering 11 appearances and nine starts for 43.1 innings in 2013. He had a 7.56 ERA in 8.1 innings in 2014 for West Virginia. He has walked 45 batters in 68.1 innings while hitting another 27 in his college career. Those are concerning numbers.

His stuff is electric, but Tulane may be the team that gets burned if he goes out wild and gives up four runs in the first inning while searching for control. Obviously there will be a quick hook, but it's a lopsided pitching matchup on paper with UCF throwing the AAC's ERA leader.

I do prefer using Simms at the start of an inning because his wild pitches don't count until someone is on base, but Patrick Duester and Dan Rankin appear to be safer choices.

Simms pitched a perfect inning in relief when Tulane faced UCF in Orlando, and maybe Pierce saw something there.

The good news is Tulane put up four runs against Robby Howell in Orlando, all earned. He did not give up more than two earned runs in any other AAC game, and his high in non-conference games was three. Maybe Tulane can win 4-3 behind Simms, Duester, Rankin, Yandel and Bjorngjeld. Merrill could be available in short relief, too. He threw nearly 80 pitches in his stint on Friday, and Pierce is still careful not to over-extend him after his arm soreness earlier in the year.

If Tulane gets by UCF, I give the Wave an 80 percent chance of reaching the championship game. Emerson Gibbs has been lights out and would be facing Houston or Cincy's No. 2 pitcher on Thursday. Pierce would have his choice of starters on Saturday morning against whatever team emerged from the losers' bracket, and he would not run out of quality starters through the championship game.

But it all hinges on the performance tomorrow. If the Wave loses, it has to come back on Wednesday night with Gibbs on two days' shorter rest than he is accustomed. A win there would give the Wave Thursday off, but it would need to win Friday morning, twice Saturday and again Sunday to take the championship.

The stats behind Tulane's incredible home run differential

Tulane has hit 58 home runs while giving up 16 this year, the third best differential in the country behind Coastal Carolina's plus-59 (85/26) and Missouri State's plus-50 (68/18).

The 58 homers rank in a tie for 20th nationally, but today I looked up where Tulane ranked in home runs allowed, which required going to all 31 baseball conference's websites and checking the stats. That is the 15th fewest total in the country, and most of the teams ahead of Tulane are from low-major Northeastern conferences. The only teams on that list that have a chance to make a regional are Creighton (14), which plays its home games in the cavernous stadium that hosts the College World Series, Lamar (11), Bryant (15) and Navy (15), which just won the automatic bid from the Patriot League.

David Pierce admitted recently he was not sure why Tulane had given up so few home runs, but it is an impressive stat when combined with Tulane's power surge this year. The Wave is almost assured of finishing among the top 10 in school history for homers with bats that don't compare to the ones used before 2011.
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