Jon Sumrall Q&A
- By Guerry Smith
- Joe Kennedy's Wave Crest
- 5 Replies
Part of my time with Sumrall yesterday was just conversational and off the record, but some of the interview was on the record. He chose not to talk about the Wave's latest commitments from the portal because they were not officially in class yet and he will talk about everyone on the Feb. 7 late signing day.
On what it has been like a little more than month into the job:
"It's been a whirlwind, juggling a lot of different things, trying to get as many things done as fast as you can but making sure you are doing it the right way more importantly than getting it done fast. That's staff. Thats' recruiting. That's just maybe logistics on setting some things up the way we want done within the program, but it's been good. Very, very busy. Haven't had a whole lot of sleep. I was up at 3 a.m. this morning and came into work. It's been nonstop for sure."
On wanting to compete for national championships and showing it with the recruits from the portal he has gotten:
"Yeah. It takes really good players to play really good football, and I tell people all the time if there were no players, there'd be no coaches or anything else for that matter around the program, so it's about getting the right players in your program and then developing them to be their best, so the goals we have are lofty. For us to reach great goals of conference championships and playing in the playoff, and if you're going to play in it, why not try to pursue winning something like that, you've got to recruit at a high level and then you've got to develop at a high level and then you've got to build relationships with those guys that are strong and meaningful. It's a good start. What a guy's ranked doesn't really mean anything in regards to the production they end up having, but sometimes guys need a fresh start or a new opportunity or you never know why maybe things weren't quite wht you thought going into it for them at the other places. But definitely some highly touted guys who have talent and ability who I think fit what we're trying to do."
On how things have changed at Tulane:
"I think the brand is strong. There has been recent success that shows, hey, this can be done at a high level here. I think we have a lot of attractive things for guys to be a part of. I think they recognize the program's trajectory is going upward. I believe that the academic opportunity is special, unique and different to a lot of places of what it can do for you life after football. That's a powerful deal. And then having the opportunity to present living in a vibrant city like this. There's just so many things our players can have access to or exposure to that is fun and exciting to be a part of. You don't have to sell what it is as much as just kind of cast a vision, and the guys, it's easy to see what the vision looks like because there are a lot of positive things going on."
On Joe Craddock's offensive philosophy and tailoring it to the players he inherits:
"What's unique about Joe is he was at Clemson as an analyst and really worked with the quarterbacks, and Deshaun Watson was the quarterback. They had high-level success running a very spread system at that time. He went to SMU and inherited an offense that I believe ranked 108th in the country early on in their time (the Mustangs finished 76th in yards in 2015, Craddock's first year) and finished eighth in the country a couple years later (they were 12th in scoring in 2017), and that was running more of a spread, tempo system. Went to Arkansas. Didn't have as much success (The Razorbacks finished 117th in yards in 2018 Was there for only like 18 games (22) and then Chad got let go, and then went to UAB and I hired him at Troy. We really had to change how he played offensively a little bit. When he was at UAB, they were more pro style and a little bit more wide zone with play action off the wide zone stuff. He was more pro style there, and then at Troy I knew we were going to be pretty good on defense or at least decent on defense early. I knew the defense was maybe a little bit ahead of the offense overall personnel wise, so we played complementary football. We were kind of ground and pound a little bit and then opened the offense up more this year from year 1. Year one our recipe was don't turn the ball over and make it a rock fight. This year we scored 49 points in the conference championship team. We scored more points against quality competition at times. The nice thing about Joe is he's been a coordinator for several years. He's not a first-time coordinator. He's done it in a similar level of competition at SMU, and he's been in the SEC at Arkansas and he was my guy at Troy and we were very successful the last couple of years. His adaptability not being married to just one offense and making the players fit. It's how do we make the offense fit the players. There's a lot of things we know and a lot of things we'd like to do. What we have to identify is what will work with what we have. The better players you have, the more options you have. So for us, as we try to get this roster tied together personnel wise, we'll have a better feel, but there will be some components that are going to be non-negotiable that we believe in offensively, but if we've got more quality backs, we are going to play the game with more backs. If we've got more quality receivers, we are going to play the game with more receivers. If we've got more quality tight ends than other groups. we'll play with more tight ends, so we'll lean on our strengths personnel wise and make sure our main groupings are whoever our best players are."
On defensive philosophy:
"The defensive coordinator last year was running the same coverage calls we ran at Troy. I was at bowl practice and I was like, y'all our calling that, and the kids were like how do you know? I'm like it's the same defense we ran at Troy. The system that terminology wide Tulane ran last year, most of it is derived from the system we had at Troy. It was the same defense we had at Troy in 2022 and 2023. It's the same defense. The Tulane defense in 2023 was the Troy defense in 2022 and 2023. Same terminology. So for our kids defensively, there may be some teaching points we look at a little bit different, but the schematics and a lot of the structure will be very similar."
On Rob Greene:
"He's staying as an analyst and he'll work with (Greg) Gasparado with the safeties. I like to have with the coordinator a really strong analyst so the coordinator can be freed up to think about big picture a little more than just his position, so Rob will be in the room with Gas."
On Landius Wilkerson:
"I've know Landius for a long time. He's worked his way up through the coaching ranks. Started at Huntington College and then went to UT Chattanooga and Jacksonville State and has been around. He was at South Alabama last. Wilk was one of the best recruiters in the Sun Belt Conference the last three years. He was an elite recruiter and a really good coach, too. His guys played at a high level, so I've know him a long time, been around him quite a bit and just always from a distance watched how he built relationships with his players and how he developed his players and also how he built relationships in recruiting. He's really, really good at what he does and I'm excited to have him join us."
On what it has been like a little more than month into the job:
"It's been a whirlwind, juggling a lot of different things, trying to get as many things done as fast as you can but making sure you are doing it the right way more importantly than getting it done fast. That's staff. Thats' recruiting. That's just maybe logistics on setting some things up the way we want done within the program, but it's been good. Very, very busy. Haven't had a whole lot of sleep. I was up at 3 a.m. this morning and came into work. It's been nonstop for sure."
On wanting to compete for national championships and showing it with the recruits from the portal he has gotten:
"Yeah. It takes really good players to play really good football, and I tell people all the time if there were no players, there'd be no coaches or anything else for that matter around the program, so it's about getting the right players in your program and then developing them to be their best, so the goals we have are lofty. For us to reach great goals of conference championships and playing in the playoff, and if you're going to play in it, why not try to pursue winning something like that, you've got to recruit at a high level and then you've got to develop at a high level and then you've got to build relationships with those guys that are strong and meaningful. It's a good start. What a guy's ranked doesn't really mean anything in regards to the production they end up having, but sometimes guys need a fresh start or a new opportunity or you never know why maybe things weren't quite wht you thought going into it for them at the other places. But definitely some highly touted guys who have talent and ability who I think fit what we're trying to do."
On how things have changed at Tulane:
"I think the brand is strong. There has been recent success that shows, hey, this can be done at a high level here. I think we have a lot of attractive things for guys to be a part of. I think they recognize the program's trajectory is going upward. I believe that the academic opportunity is special, unique and different to a lot of places of what it can do for you life after football. That's a powerful deal. And then having the opportunity to present living in a vibrant city like this. There's just so many things our players can have access to or exposure to that is fun and exciting to be a part of. You don't have to sell what it is as much as just kind of cast a vision, and the guys, it's easy to see what the vision looks like because there are a lot of positive things going on."
On Joe Craddock's offensive philosophy and tailoring it to the players he inherits:
"What's unique about Joe is he was at Clemson as an analyst and really worked with the quarterbacks, and Deshaun Watson was the quarterback. They had high-level success running a very spread system at that time. He went to SMU and inherited an offense that I believe ranked 108th in the country early on in their time (the Mustangs finished 76th in yards in 2015, Craddock's first year) and finished eighth in the country a couple years later (they were 12th in scoring in 2017), and that was running more of a spread, tempo system. Went to Arkansas. Didn't have as much success (The Razorbacks finished 117th in yards in 2018 Was there for only like 18 games (22) and then Chad got let go, and then went to UAB and I hired him at Troy. We really had to change how he played offensively a little bit. When he was at UAB, they were more pro style and a little bit more wide zone with play action off the wide zone stuff. He was more pro style there, and then at Troy I knew we were going to be pretty good on defense or at least decent on defense early. I knew the defense was maybe a little bit ahead of the offense overall personnel wise, so we played complementary football. We were kind of ground and pound a little bit and then opened the offense up more this year from year 1. Year one our recipe was don't turn the ball over and make it a rock fight. This year we scored 49 points in the conference championship team. We scored more points against quality competition at times. The nice thing about Joe is he's been a coordinator for several years. He's not a first-time coordinator. He's done it in a similar level of competition at SMU, and he's been in the SEC at Arkansas and he was my guy at Troy and we were very successful the last couple of years. His adaptability not being married to just one offense and making the players fit. It's how do we make the offense fit the players. There's a lot of things we know and a lot of things we'd like to do. What we have to identify is what will work with what we have. The better players you have, the more options you have. So for us, as we try to get this roster tied together personnel wise, we'll have a better feel, but there will be some components that are going to be non-negotiable that we believe in offensively, but if we've got more quality backs, we are going to play the game with more backs. If we've got more quality receivers, we are going to play the game with more receivers. If we've got more quality tight ends than other groups. we'll play with more tight ends, so we'll lean on our strengths personnel wise and make sure our main groupings are whoever our best players are."
On defensive philosophy:
"The defensive coordinator last year was running the same coverage calls we ran at Troy. I was at bowl practice and I was like, y'all our calling that, and the kids were like how do you know? I'm like it's the same defense we ran at Troy. The system that terminology wide Tulane ran last year, most of it is derived from the system we had at Troy. It was the same defense we had at Troy in 2022 and 2023. It's the same defense. The Tulane defense in 2023 was the Troy defense in 2022 and 2023. Same terminology. So for our kids defensively, there may be some teaching points we look at a little bit different, but the schematics and a lot of the structure will be very similar."
On Rob Greene:
"He's staying as an analyst and he'll work with (Greg) Gasparado with the safeties. I like to have with the coordinator a really strong analyst so the coordinator can be freed up to think about big picture a little more than just his position, so Rob will be in the room with Gas."
On Landius Wilkerson:
"I've know Landius for a long time. He's worked his way up through the coaching ranks. Started at Huntington College and then went to UT Chattanooga and Jacksonville State and has been around. He was at South Alabama last. Wilk was one of the best recruiters in the Sun Belt Conference the last three years. He was an elite recruiter and a really good coach, too. His guys played at a high level, so I've know him a long time, been around him quite a bit and just always from a distance watched how he built relationships with his players and how he developed his players and also how he built relationships in recruiting. He's really, really good at what he does and I'm excited to have him join us."